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Could 1994 history repeat itself?
Published on October 4, 2009 By Nitro Cruiser In Politics

Set the WABAC (way back) machine to 1993 Mr. Peabody...

Now my boy Sherman...The Clinton administration had just taken office with a vengeance. It was filled with drama and far-left agendas (Zoe Baird, Hillary Care, TC Bombing, Don't Ask Don't Tell, etc), actually IMO much less hub bub than exists today, regardless, this was a big factor in a sweeping Republican victory. It was the first time in 40 years that the Democrats didn't control at least one of the houses. The rest is history president Clinton governed from the center and the US enjoyed a period of economic success.

Fast forward to today, the Obama administration. The Democrats control both houses in addition to the executive branch and the far-left agenda is back. Heath care reform is also back and losing support daily. Two wars continue on, one badly. Spending in just the first few months has exceeded every other administrations spending since Washington. Financial scandals have plagued cabinet appointments and czars with dubious backgrounds have been appointed. The rouge states of Iran and North Korea have flaunted their military advances to the dismay of the world. Attempts at atonement for past US "sins" have added to the presidents personal appeal abroad, yet has done little help, and possibly hurt, US prestige. The persons in control of government have ridiculed and ostracized the growing grassroots movement that disagree on the direction this administration is taking.

Could potential backlash bring back a Republican controlled Senate and House of Representatives? Would this force president Obama to govern from the center and possibly save his presidency as it had for Bill Clinton? Or will the damage be so severe that the people will remember long enough to affect the 2012 presidential election? If the Republicans do take control, will they have learned their lesson from 2006? Will the administration start getting it right and retain power in congress and the WH?

All is hypothetical of course, so there are no wrong answers. Perhaps you feel a different scenario may occur?

 

UPDATE    UPDATE    UPDATE

So over a year has passed and the Mid-term election is over. The results are not so surprising. Will President Obama now govern from the center? His address (after the election) was contrite, but will he now listen to the peoples demands? Take a page from the Clinton play book or "stay the course"? What say you?

As a side note, many of the folks that responded here could, without more than a passing interest in politics, see what was coming over a year out. I'm surprised that even if the president couldn't (or wouldn't) foresee this, why didn't any of his closest advisor's? Will they keep Pelosi, and the stench of failure, alive in the minority leader position?

The next two years will be interesting indeed.

 


Comments (Page 1)
on Oct 04, 2009

Mmm, I don't know; I think it depends on what happens in the next few months. I think some, namely conservatives and republicans, are claiming Obama is a sinking ship way too early. Yeah, he's had some major difficulties, but what president hasn't?

With the way the Repbulicans have been behaving (obstructionist, and not at all constructive -- not to say the dems have been amazing and all...), I truly hope they do not get control of both parts of congress. At that point, because...well, many just don't like Obama no matter what he does, there would be nothing done, just look at the way things are going with health care.

I would hate to see a repeat of the Gingrich era. Heh, american dreams/promise and contracts be damned. I've lost a lot of respect for him over the last year and half.

~AJ

on Oct 04, 2009

Addendum:

The likely scenario - unless something drastic happens between now and then - is that the Democrats will lose (albeit in a close race) either the House or the Senate. I think it will more than likely be the House that they will lose. Seems drastic considering the number of seats they have, but it's still possible.

~AJ

on Oct 05, 2009

Yeah, he's had some major difficulties, but what president hasn't?

President Bush II had higher approval ratings in his first year and didn't seem to have those major difficulties.

 

on Oct 05, 2009

President Bush II had higher approval ratings in his first year and didn't seem to have those major difficulties.

Pre- or post-9/11?

on Oct 05, 2009

President Bush II had higher approval ratings in his first year and didn't seem to have those major difficulties.

Your point?

on Oct 05, 2009

With the way the Repbulicans have been behaving (obstructionist, and not at all constructive -- not to say the dems have been amazing and all...), I truly hope they do not get control of both parts of congress. At that point, because...well, many just don't like Obama no matter what he does, there would be nothing done, just look at the way things are going with health care.

I am still curious why so many people keep puting Republicans as the reason very little has been accomplished in an Administration controlled by Democrats from all 3 sides. White House, Congresss and Senate. Seems to me that the only real obstructionist here are those who would rather change their opinions on what Democrat agenda should be passed as oppose to losing their seats in 2010. Those whom I speak of are Democrats BTW.

But even more interesting is that very few people, especially those who continue to blame Republicans for the Democrats failure to achieve anything, continue to ignore the most important thing here; the American people, AKA the voters. I have to believe that the reason those Democrats who can not come together to an agreement of a Healthcare Bill that they would not need Republican votes to pass is that they are listening to the voters and are not willing to risk losing their positions in Congress and the Senate to pas something that one would have to is not a very popular concept at the time. Otherwise why would they be fighting amongst themselves and getting nowhere? This would indicate that recent polls are correct in that the majority want reform on healthcare just not what the Democrats (especially Obama) are offering. So again I wonder why do so many continue to blame Republicans for obstruction when the Democrats are the ones having difficulties passing anything, especially when it's something the majority does not seem to want.

on Oct 05, 2009

Can it save Obama? If he is as smart as some put it, it might. But as frustrated as I am with the Democrats I am even more frustrated with the Republicans. Very few have actually shown any signs of loyalty to their constituents. Most of them are more like hyenas waiting for the sick Democrats to die rather than like lions taking control and showing who should be leading.

on Oct 05, 2009

Most of them are more like hyenas waiting for the sick Democrats to die rather than like lions taking control and showing who should be leading.

I can agree with that.

I am still curious why so many people keep puting Republicans as the reason very little has been accomplished in an Administration controlled by Democrats from all 3 sides. White House, Congresss and Senate. Seems to me that the only real obstructionist here are those who would rather change their opinions on what Democrat agenda should be passed as oppose to losing their seats in 2010. Those whom I speak of are Democrats BTW.

I'm not saying that they are THE reason Charles, but given that Obama has made attempts (which I'm sure you'll disagree with me on that) to be bipartisan. Granted, the responsibility of accepting any GOP concessions toward bipartisanship falls on congressional demcorats - who, admittedly, have been assinine (See: Pelosi, Reid) How can someone work with another group if that groups is so staunchly and viriulently against the person? Compromise, progress, change, bipartisanship, et al. is a two way street, and....well, will both parties work accordingly? In fact, I believe (don't quote me -- the article I'm vaguely remembering this from is, I think, in Salon) that the Senate version had many GOP introduced parts.

So....now what?

 

 

on Oct 05, 2009

Stardock Thanks for the feature.

Everyone else... thanks for your input. As I said in the article, everything beyond this point is pure speculation. Its purpose is to follow the progression of actions (or  lack there of) as well as outside events that will shape the 2010 - 2012 elections. No responses are wrong for obvious reasons and events can change your position over time. All is fair. Both major parties (and maybe a third) will be in play.

Personally I'm looking for parallels between the Obama and Clinton administrations. I think although the events are quite different there are some broader similarities. I will not support or oppose anyones position (fair and balanced), but you all are free to engage as you see fit. After all this is America.

on Oct 05, 2009

Both major parties (and maybe a third) will be in play.

I really do hope there is a third pary in play; I would love to see some in-roads made by them. My money is on the Libertarian Party.

 

~AJ

on Oct 06, 2009

Pre- or post-9/11?

When was President Bush's first year?

2001.

It pretty much ended with 911. But his approval ratings before that were apparently also higher than Obama's.

 

Your point?

Apparently George Bush didn't have those "major difficulties".

on Oct 06, 2009

Eight US soldiers died in Afghanistan yesterday at a remote outpost. As the casualty rate climbs, still no movement in Washington. Will this potential spoiler gain greater significance in the coming weeks? During the 2008 election Iraq was not the top issue and Afghanistan was even farther down the list. Obama stated that the Afghan war was the "just" war. Is he having second thoughts now? Bush was accused of not listening to his generals early on. Will Obama mimic his predecessor?

on Oct 09, 2009

President Obama has won the Nobel Peace prize. Will this validate his policies at home or is it wishful thinking on the part of liberal Scandinavia? Obama's nomination, along with all other nominees, was entered back in February, only weeks after taking office. Will the Nobel committee get what they want from their selectee or will they have put all their eggs in one basket with a person that talks a good game but has yet to deliver much? 

on Oct 09, 2009

President Obama has won the Nobel Peace prize. Will this validate his policies at home or is it wishful thinking on the part of liberal Scandinavia?

I wouldn't call that hotbed of fascism and racism "liberal", but I think I know what you mean.

 

on Oct 09, 2009

I wouldn't call that hotbed of fascism and racism "liberal", but I think I know what you mean.

I wouldn't suggest that Scandinavia is a "hotbed", more of an indicator of where their head is. IMO it is not unusual at all that when it comes to world peace, many nations believe they are morally superior to the US... yet what have they ever accomplished to that end?

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