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Could 1994 history repeat itself?
Published on October 4, 2009 By Nitro Cruiser In Politics

Set the WABAC (way back) machine to 1993 Mr. Peabody...

Now my boy Sherman...The Clinton administration had just taken office with a vengeance. It was filled with drama and far-left agendas (Zoe Baird, Hillary Care, TC Bombing, Don't Ask Don't Tell, etc), actually IMO much less hub bub than exists today, regardless, this was a big factor in a sweeping Republican victory. It was the first time in 40 years that the Democrats didn't control at least one of the houses. The rest is history president Clinton governed from the center and the US enjoyed a period of economic success.

Fast forward to today, the Obama administration. The Democrats control both houses in addition to the executive branch and the far-left agenda is back. Heath care reform is also back and losing support daily. Two wars continue on, one badly. Spending in just the first few months has exceeded every other administrations spending since Washington. Financial scandals have plagued cabinet appointments and czars with dubious backgrounds have been appointed. The rouge states of Iran and North Korea have flaunted their military advances to the dismay of the world. Attempts at atonement for past US "sins" have added to the presidents personal appeal abroad, yet has done little help, and possibly hurt, US prestige. The persons in control of government have ridiculed and ostracized the growing grassroots movement that disagree on the direction this administration is taking.

Could potential backlash bring back a Republican controlled Senate and House of Representatives? Would this force president Obama to govern from the center and possibly save his presidency as it had for Bill Clinton? Or will the damage be so severe that the people will remember long enough to affect the 2012 presidential election? If the Republicans do take control, will they have learned their lesson from 2006? Will the administration start getting it right and retain power in congress and the WH?

All is hypothetical of course, so there are no wrong answers. Perhaps you feel a different scenario may occur?

 

UPDATE    UPDATE    UPDATE

So over a year has passed and the Mid-term election is over. The results are not so surprising. Will President Obama now govern from the center? His address (after the election) was contrite, but will he now listen to the peoples demands? Take a page from the Clinton play book or "stay the course"? What say you?

As a side note, many of the folks that responded here could, without more than a passing interest in politics, see what was coming over a year out. I'm surprised that even if the president couldn't (or wouldn't) foresee this, why didn't any of his closest advisor's? Will they keep Pelosi, and the stench of failure, alive in the minority leader position?

The next two years will be interesting indeed.

 


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on Dec 17, 2009

His presidency so far was more dissapointing to the extreme left than to me.

Leauki, I keep hearing about the honeymoon being over with Independents, but you brought up a good point about the far-left. Do you think they will go as far as forsaking the moderate Democrats seeking re-election in the up-coming election? Perhaps alternative candidates? Or will they just toe the party line in the end? 

His segregationist position on Jerusalem and the West-Bank disappoints me (I am against segregation) and I don't think he knows what he is talking about regarding the Middle-East. But then he doesn't do anything, so that's fine.

Interesting. We all know about his Cairo speech, the opinions with settlements in Israel controlled areas, and policy toward Iran. I think we can safely assume most persons of the Jewish faith are apprehensive to some degree, but do you think his actions are buying him political capital with the Arab nations? Prices at the pump will affect elections.

I don't like the fact that he keeps betraying and insulting the US' most valuable allies (Poland, the UK, even Germany to a degree) and I think it is embarrassing and a moral failure that he doesn't do anything about Africa at all.

Yet many outside (and inside) the US seem to captivated still by Obama. Do you think this trend is fading? Will Copenhagen bolster his worldwide support?

on Dec 17, 2009

I am glad you bumped this Nitro or I may have never seen this one. As to the original article, I find myself looking at 2010 as kind of a macabre test of the hypothesis on 1994.

No problem Doc. I too find a lot of similarities between 1994 and 2010. Of course their are some caveats, such as the war and recession. What will make this different is the playing field. In 08, Obama enjoyed unprecedented support of the media and youth, something that was missing in 94. I wonder if that same enthusiasm will carry over in 10 and ultimately 12.

in 2010, we will see. There is no single strong leader on the right.

I personally don't think that's imperative for 2010, but will be shortly afterward for 2013. I feel many people got burnt out on the long campaign cycle leading up to 2008. It definitely did not help Hillary, and IMO snatch the victory right out beneath her. The big game always attracts the most hunters.  I take it your not a big Newt fan. Any predictions who the front runner might be? Do you think potential candidates might be laying low to minimize exposure to the firing line?

As for it saving Obama (republican Victory)? No. As much as I dislike Clinton, I do acknowledge he was a very shrewd politician. 1994 saved him from himself (but mostly from Hillary) and allowed him to at least not trash the nation. Obama does not have the experience, temprement, intelligence or personality to learn from his mistakes. instead of saving it, the loss of control will only push him farther into a radical agenda.

I found this very interesting Doc. If I have this correct, you believe that a 2010 Republican sweep would just make Obama dig his heels in deeper? If so, do you believe that it is all him or that he is getting bad advice? I have to say in every politician I've see is a built in survival device, so I'm not sure I agree with you on this point. I think a Republican win will shift him closer to the center. This will be something to watch,  I think that is a bold prediction on your part.

on Dec 17, 2009

Can they expect to ride into victory on anti-Democrat sentiment alone?

Yes, I think that as long as there is a demand not to vote Democrats.  There should be enough discontent to bring the Republicans (with some Conservative Independents also) short of a majority.

The Republicans at this time are so unorganized; they will not be able to sweep into power like they did in 94.

Interesting. Do you think Howard Dean, considered far left by some, will fuel this?

I hope so.  The Communist and Socialist have been in hiding as Democrats for the last 20 years.  Now is the time they have been awaiting for.  Let them protest openly in the American streets like they are doing in Copenhagen today.  That way the people will be able to see how scary and messed up they really are.

It is ironic that the Communist are protesting in Copenhagen to protect the earth, since it will take generations to fix all the polution that Comunism caused in Russia and China.

on Dec 18, 2009

I personally don't think that's imperative for 2010, but will be shortly afterward for 2013. I feel many people got burnt out on the long campaign cycle leading up to 2008. It definitely did not help Hillary, and IMO snatch the victory right out beneath her. The big game always attracts the most hunters. I take it your not a big Newt fan. Any predictions who the front runner might be? Do you think potential candidates might be laying low to minimize exposure to the firing line?

I agree with you, and think perhaps you misunderstood my point a little.  My point was if republicans do not need a strong leader in 2010, does that then say that Newt was just an opportunist, and not the catalyst for 94? (I personally like Newt and his philosophy).

And I agree with 2012.  Obama may be the worst president ever (and can be), but without a strong leader he will win re-election.  As for who that leader will be - I have no clue.  I know that they will have to be twice as good as anything the democrats put up due to the MSM (and I know many are up to it), but at this point it could be Jindal, Palin, Bachman (gutsy move on her part), or some other person that has not come to the forefront yet (I think Coeburn just shot up a lot).

I found this very interesting Doc. If I have this correct, you believe that a 2010 Republican sweep would just make Obama dig his heels in deeper? If so, do you believe that it is all him or that he is getting bad advice? I have to say in every politician I've see is a built in survival device, so I'm not sure I agree with you on this point. I think a Republican win will shift him closer to the center. This will be something to watch, I think that is a bold prediction on your part.

Both bad advice and him.  I think his advisors would love to strike the word I from the english language (even the MSM seems to be tiring of hearing it), but then they are the ones that think they can get all the socialism through because "no good crises should go to waste".  clinton triangulated and managed to hold off Newt and congress.  Obama does not have the experience to do that.  He only knows how to be a community organizer (does not help when dealing internationally, but then people are starting to see that too - the emperor has no clothes).

The irony of it is, if he was a good leader, his advisors would help him, but since he only hires sycophants, they are not going to stop telling him how pretty his clothes are, and that is not going to help him if the republicans gain control of congress.

on Dec 18, 2009

Yes, I think that as long as there is a demand not to vote Democrats. There should be enough discontent to bring the Republicans (with some Conservative Independents also) short of a majority.

Have you seen the recent tea party polls? Republicans are currently fairing less support than the Democrats among tea partier's (pretty remarkable since it was mostly the Dems that are blasting the movement). It should be an interesting year - 2010.

The Communist and Socialist have been in hiding as Democrats for the last 20 years.

I think you have something there. I was amazed (and appalled) when Hugo Chavez blasted capitalism at Copenhagen, to the applause of those in attendance. His actions didn't surprise me, but much the rest of the worlds did. Kind of reminds me of a going out of business sale, and everyone is looking for something for nothing from the golden goose before they kill it. Looks like some opportunities to bow are fast approaching.

on Dec 18, 2009

I agree with you, and think perhaps you misunderstood my point a little. My point was if republicans do not need a strong leader in 2010, does that then say that Newt was just an opportunist, and not the catalyst for 94? (I personally like Newt and his philosophy).

Wow, I did have it backward, thanks for the correction.

Obama may be the worst president ever (and can be), but without a strong leader he will win re-election.

I believe he will be immune, no matter how bad, due to the current PC environment of the US. This could possibly be the first affirmative action president in US history, and for the that reason will never be labeled (outside of opponents) as a complete failure. I'm not suggesting that is necessarily the case, we'll see how the next three years go, but IMO can set the bar low and repel any criticism as a racial attack. We've seen this tactic used already.

Both bad advice and him. I think his advisor's would love to strike the word I from the english language (even the MSM seems to be tiring of hearing it), but then they are the ones that think they can get all the socialism through because "no good crises should go to waste". clinton triangulated and managed to hold off Newt and congress. Obama does not have the experience to do that.

The irony of it is, if he was a good leader, his advisors would help him, but since he only hires sycophants, they are not going to stop telling him how pretty his clothes are, and that is not going to help him if the republicans gain control of congress.

Interesting point. I recently saw a piece (can't remember exactly where) that discussed Obama's key advisor's. The gist of the talk was that none of his people are doers in the respect that they have run successful businesses. Most are career politicians, volunteers, liberal thinkers and professors but little in the way of understanding or possessing the skills that are need now to create jobs, the number one concern of the people. A lopsided list of advisor's, especially in their current areas of expertise, would certainly have a detrimental effect. One (you'd hope) wouldn't rely on a lawyer when one really needs a fireman.

on Dec 18, 2009

I was amazed (and appalled) when Hugo Chavez blasted capitalism at Copenhagen, to the applause of those in attendance.

I too am amazed at how Chavez, Castro, Dean, and now the labor union leaders are turning on Obama.  He and his staff are so far left it is scary.  It is almost making me wonder how much farther they want him to go.

All these Communist, Socialist, and dictatorships are always putting down Capitalism.  Yet Capitalism is the only system that is bringing prosperity in this world.  If their economic systems are so much better, why are they the ones looking for hand outs at Copenhagen?

 

on Dec 18, 2009

If their economic systems are so much better, why are they the ones looking for hand outs at Copenhagen?

A question I wish more Socialists would ask themselves. I think they tend to forget, in Socialist societies there is only a little room at the top for the elitists...someone has to be the worker, now what are their chances of which category the majority of them will fall into? Is Eastern Europe the only group of people that remember this harsh history lesson?

on Dec 18, 2009

I believe he will be immune, no matter how bad, due to the current PC environment of the US. This could possibly be the first affirmative action president in US history

I think the above is going to be trumped by the below.

The gist of the talk was that none of his people are doers in the respect that they have run successful businesses. Most are career politicians, volunteers, liberal thinkers and professors but little in the way of understanding or possessing the skills that are need now to create jobs, the number one concern of the people.

The MSM hated Bush (they were less blatant about Reagan), and that did get the opposition close, but not enough.  The time when the MSM was king maker is over as many get their news (when they get interested - the last 8 weeks of the election) from alternate sources.  It is kind of like going to church.  People already know that the pastor is going to tell them sin is bad, so they snooze through the sermon.  Same with the MSM.  It affects those who do pay attention daily, but that is a small percentage.

on Dec 18, 2009

If their economic systems are so much better, why are they the ones looking for hand outs at Copenhagen?

You forgot rule one of liberals/leftists - they do not think.

They see the money and save "gimme".  They do not think to ask where it came from (other than to spout the standard talking points about it was stolen).

on Dec 18, 2009

People already know that the pastor is going to tell them sin is bad, so they snooze through the sermon.

I like that one!

on Dec 21, 2009

 

What do I rate him? Well, honestly I would have to give him two grades, one for Domestic and one for International.

Domestic: Given that he's really only focused on one major issue, failed to take any action on DADT/Gay rights, and a few other things I consider important, I would have to give him a C/C-. The biggest few things that could bump my grade for him higher is if he:

1. Gets congress to scrap the current HC bill and get one in that actually makes sense.

2. Repeals DADT, DOMA, and enourages marriage equality.

3. Adjusts the stem cell research funding so that it pushes the research of artificial stem cells.

4. Creates jobs AND lowers our deficit. (Why not split the 200 billion down the middle, half toward jobs and half toward the deficit?)

 

International: I have some issues that I feel need to be dealt with, but ultimately I would give him a B- internationally.

 

You forgot rule one of liberals/leftists - they do not think.

Given many of your comments lately...Pot meet Kettle. Kettle meet cluelessness.

 

~AJ

 

on Dec 21, 2009

1. Gets congress to scrap the current HC bill and get one in that actually makes sense.

Unlikely...Obama needs a win...anything will do, no matter what the country really wants. Right now it is more important to him that he appears he can get something done, and not be ineffectual. Better to act and look decisive, than do nothing. Could be banking on short memories for 2012, but expect a lot of finger pointing next year in 2010. 

2. Repeals DADT, DOMA, and enourages marriage equality.

This is special interest and probably far down the list of most Americans at this time.

3. Adjusts the stem cell research funding so that it pushes the research of artificial stem cells.

Possibly achievable at government funded facilities, but since the pharma industry had to make huge $$$ concessions to the administration to avoid the same vilification as the health insurance companies is receiving, the last thing on their minds must be to pump money into something the government might not let them profit on in the future, with the prospect of socialized medicine right around the corner. 

4. Creates jobs AND lowers our deficit. (Why not split the 200 billion down the middle, half toward jobs and half toward the deficit?)

Isn't that what the first stimulus bill was supposed to achieve? Perhaps if it was read before the vote and not rushed through. Not a very ringing endorsement of government efficiency would you say? This model of appropriation does seem popular in Congress this year as the HC bill, with its back door deals and late night votes, makes its way through the bureaucracy.

on Dec 21, 2009

Isn't that what the first stimulus bill was supposed to achieve?

Liberal Math: If I say I am going to spend 200b that I do not have, but then I only spend 100b that I do not have, I have lowered the deficit.  Don't you just love newspeak?

on Dec 21, 2009

Afghanistan - (C-) He sent troops but only because he was preasured into it and on top of that he gave a date to end this "surge" that they don't want to call surge.

Health Care - (D-) The current bill has had so many ups and downs, changes and BS in such a short amount of time that it's no longer about helping the people but (as Nitro put it) it's simply so that Obama has a win under his belt.

Climate Change - (D-) All the BS that has come out lately about fudged information has been ignored by this administration. They could have at least make it seem like they are concerned about all the recent drama and try to figure out whats going on efore going forward.

Jobs - (F) His 8% limit was gone before he could say "I" and he continues to BS about creating and saving job and instead blames small business and the previous Administration for his failure to stop the job loses and his failure to promote job growth.

Foreign policy - (D-) I'm sorry's can only go so far. Instead of a strong nation we are now seen as weak and unable to stand up for what we believed in. He goes around bowing to every world leader and constantly putting this country down. How the hell did a man who hated the actions of his country become the leader of the same country is beyond me. And lets not forget his "strong diplomacy" with Iran which has them running for the hills, running to build more nuclear stations that is.

Overall he has a D- as far as I'm concerned. He gave himself a B+ because he did not want to come across as arrogant if he gave himself an A or A-. What I love the most is how his defendants claim he has not had enough time to accomplish anything yet Obama believe in the same time he accomplsihed anough to warrant a B+. Talk about not being on the same page.

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