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Published on May 31, 2010 By Nitro Cruiser In Politics

...but first some background.

Disclaimer: I'm really uninterested in another persons sex life (other than my wife that is), that's their business. Also having spent half my life in the military, I fully realize that gays have and are serving their country in that capacity, thank you (and all folks, past and present) for your service. I don't dislike people personally for their lifestyle. I'm sure most serve(d) honorably, and a few were trouble makers, just as their heterosexual counter parts.

What does concern me is the total disregard of the people currently serving in the military today. Not that it was sneaked in on a Friday, prior to a long weekend (again, a reoccurring theme with this administration). Not that it was sandwiched in with other more pressing items  and $$$ goodies for the military (it was). The Pentagon was to have its finding (consultation with military members) complete by December. This administration, for political expedience, couldn't wait that long. They have showed their total disregard for our military folks opinion, just as they have for the American peoples opinion on other recent issues. They are willing to force an issue without regard for cost (there always is a cost) or plan to implement.

Why the rush? Were the people that shouted Obama down, at the recent Boxer fundraiser, on the issue anxious to enlist in the military. Hardly. Why is this important to gay activists? Are they that concerned about our military? No. They realize the way to "normalcy" is through the military. Their means to an end, their agenda. It worked for minorities and it worked for women, so it will work for gays, right? Well being a minority or a woman is pretty much an inalienable fact, with little room for interpretation. It doesn't involve personal tastes in lifestyles (I can hear the disagreements now). What will be the next "oppressed" group after this one? Time, and anyone's guess, will tell.

If this passes, this will be the first time in history that a protected "special" group of people will be treated differently in the military. Different how? They will not have their own facilities, so they will cohabitate with the sex they are physically attracted to, with only their own sense of discipline as a guide.  The finial vestiges that "helped" people consider their actions (Don't Ask Don't Tell) will be gone. Rest assured, some deviants will be attracted that might not otherwise be. Is it worth even one unwanted incident? What if it is your family member? IMO, to utterly dismiss the sexual aspect of this issue is shortsighted and unrealistic. If someone told me that I would be living in close quarters, uninhibited, with women when I enlisted as a young man at the tender age of 17, I would have thought that was a benefit!

Whoa...hold your horses you say, men and women aren't allowed potential intimate contact on a daily basis in the military. That would be correct, but if that concept bothers you, why the double standard? How would you feel having some guy live in your wife or daughters (or a woman with your husband or son) military dorm room or barracks, shaving his face while she shaves her legs in the shower? I could tell you probably nothing would happen 90% of the time (there is fraternization now, and it is punishable), but there would be problems. Jealous spouses have left their soldiers, sailors, and airman just on suspicion. The opposite is also true. I understand that gays can be afflicted with these emotions, real or perceived, too. I don't foresee men's, women's or other's facilities on the horizon anytime soon.

What else can be exploited? Well let me give an example that many can relate too. When the presidents critics voice their opposition a bit too loud, what is one of the first counter accusations? Racism. And make no bones about it it is effective and used often (read some blogs and see for yourself). So what if a gay person doesn't like his/her evaluation? "My marks are low because you hate gays". Someone harasses you, you're just making the complaint up because you don't like gays. Do I believe this will be the norm? No, but it will happen and when it does it affects the effectiveness of a command.  The military is mired heavily in PCness lately the way it is. We can't afford this additional intrigue IMO, especially during two ongoing wars.

For any of its flaws, Don't Ask Don't Tell applied to everyone, straight or gay. IMO it protected both. This is decision is best left up to the personnel serving, not the politicians, not the activists. If this is something the bulk of our service people can adapt and handle effectively, I would humbly concede to them and the issue is done. Would the gay activists do the same? Can the folks asking for tolerance show some as well?  If it passes without military input, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"(DADT) will become "Look, But Don't Touch" (LBDT).

Remember, you heard the term coined here first.

UPDATE 05/24/2017

Since this post in now locked for 2 years for whatever reason (most likely due to its longevity). I wanted to add the (sort of) conclusion of the Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning story that erupted in the comments. As you may or may not know Manning was pardoned of his espionage 35 year sentence by departing President Obama. With the current leftest push for clamping down on claimed foreign involvement in US affairs, I find the leniency they provide proven traitors they sympathize with, fascinating. Anyway, now Manning is free to live his/her live with military medical benefits for the rest of his years, on your dime of course. More here.


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on May 12, 2011

lulapilgrim
The Navy is the first military branch to authorize homosexual "marriage" and allow gay sailors to get married in Navy chapels.

They have been back peddling on it now. I believe someone jumped the shark.

on May 12, 2011

Thank goodness for the House representatives. They put the pressure on Rear Adm. Tidd to back off this zany idea at  least for now.

on Jun 28, 2011

Congress Inches Toward Repeal Of "Don't Ask Don't Tell"

Oh ya, it's still pushing.....

Senate sanctioning 'sodomy'?
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 6/28/2011 3:55:00 AM

 

Homosexuals in Military (compliments of CMR)A Pentagon advisor and military analyst says the Democratic-controlled Senate is trying to pass an amendment that would decriminalize homosexual acts in the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

 

 

The Senate Armed Services Committee recently completed its markup of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012, authorizing funding for the Department of Defense and the national security programs for the Department of Energy. But besides the usual items dealing with procurement of weapons and funding of service members' benefits, the NDAA includes language to remove homosexual acts as a longstanding violation of the UCMJ.

Bob MaginnisLt. Col. Bob Maginnis (USA-Ret.), senior fellow for national security at the Family Research Council (FRC), says Democrats want to get the amendment approved because of the problems resulting from last year's repeal of open homosexuals' military service.

"Very specifically, it didn't address the legality of the sexual act of sodomy in the law. So if someone is a homosexual, and they practice that particular act, which is their defining behavior, essentially they'd be breaking the Uniform Code," Maginnis explains. "So [proponents of the repeal] have to eliminate that, plus some other provisions within the Code, in order to accommodate homosexuality."


The FRC national security senior fellow says it is fortunate the House version of the NDAA does not include the amendment removing sodomy from the UCMJ, and he expects the House to stand fast against the president and Senate Democrats in the reconciliation process.

 

on Jul 01, 2011

The following is a letter from a soldier and I think he hits the nail on the head. It boils down to political correctness.

 

A soldier speaks: why repealing ‘Don’t Ask’ is wrong

WASHINGTON, D.C., June 24, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - I wrote a letter in late May 2011 to the House Armed Services Committee (HASC) requesting that Congress reconsider repealing what is popularly known as “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” (DADT). DADT is a misnomer. And so I shall refer to the repeal as the repealing of morality from the Armed Forces.

The Washington Times learned of my letter and reported on it in the June 8 edition of its “Inside the Ring” section (“Army dissent” paragraph).

I know for certain that leaders across the Armed Forces read what The Washington Times published, and so I am going to explain why I am questioning the pending repeal of morality. As always, my views are my own and I in no way represent the Army Reserve or any other part of the U.S. government.

Why I’m Questioning:

I know that I am in the minority in opposing the pending repeal of morality . . . at least, I am in the minority of those willing to vocalize their opposition. And yet that is part of the reason why I take the risk in saying something about it. There are other Servicemen who agree with me but I know they are afraid to say so since proponents of repealing morality do not tolerate any opposition.

Repeal proponents have already made it clear that they want to persecute/prosecute Servicemen who don’t side with them, with state-controlled media getting in on the act (of course) by using their bullying power to call for the punishment of Troops who don’t think “right.” This is a regrettable, yet predictable, fact: leftists don’t have to worry about retribution for opposing the Right, but the Right does face real retribution for disagreeing with the Left. (The Right needs to recognize this fatal flaw and fix it; otherwise conservatives will contribute to their own extinction.)

Yet if everyone allows the real threat of leftist retribution to silence them, then repeal proponents will get away with crowing that the repeal training is going off without a hitch all while they further subvert and destroy the Armed Forces.

Furthermore, as a Soldier, I must speak up and do what I can to protect my fellow Soldiers (and Servicemen at large) when I know they face danger. In fact, everyone to the very top of the Department of Defense (DOD) acknowledges this duty. Specifically, both Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, have stated that telling the truth is vitally important in the Armed Forces:

We spend a lot of time in the military talking about integrity and honor and values. Telling the truth is a pretty important value in that scale. It’s a very important value. And so for me ... a policy that requires people to lie about themselves somehow seems to me fundamentally flawed.

It is true that these leaders spoke in support of the repeal. Yet their point remains valid even for those with a differing opinion since conscience was at the heart of their argument. Therefore, by my leaders’ own words, I should tell the truth about the danger that awaits the Armed Forces once the DOD implements the morality repeal. I would hope that all Servicemen, and the rest of the DOD, would agree with Secretary Gates and Admiral Mullen on conscience, and thus support me in speaking the truth.

Why Repealing Morality Is Wrong:

The same society that tells us that sodomy is “healthy and normal,” and something that must be forcibly institutionalized upon society (the Armed Forces included) also tells us that chocolate milk is harmful and must be banned. My argument against repealing morality from the Armed Forces could stop here. Even still, it won’t.

Repealing Morality Destroys Unit Cohesion, Readiness and Capabilities:

Michael Yon, recently posted a government report on his own web site entitled, “A Crisis of Trust and Cultural Incompatibility,” which should be required reading by every American. The report addresses the epidemic of our Afghan “allies” murdering U.S./ISAF Troops and examines why this epidemic occurs. In doing so, it implicitly shows that the U.S.-led counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy in Afghanistan is a failure (which is killing our Troops and losing the war) because of the cultural divide—a cultural divide that stems from moral differences and outright immorality in many cases. The report details repeatedly that this cultural/moral problem has utterly destroyed trust, unit cohesion, and even capability of U.S./ISAF Troops to interoperate with Afghani forces. The report states in its conclusion (after noting problems and issues on the U.S./ISAF side) (emphasis mine):

However, this is not a call for appeasement to a highly toxic culture (such as the U.S. Army’s ‘encouragement’ that its female soldiers wear a hijab instead of their Kevlar thus placating Afghan perceptions of women’s lower social status as well as putting them at additional unnecessary risk). All too often, ISAF political and military officials as well as the international media have prostrated themselves before the alters [sic] of multiculturalism, moral relativity and political correctness and have excused inexcusable behaviors on the part of the Afghans (witness one senior ISAF official who described a riot that included an Afghan mob’s heinous murder of seven UNAMA workers, beheading two, in Mazar-e-Sharif in response to a copy of the Koran being burned in Florida as “understandable passions”). Such ethically challenged apologist perspectives hinder any movement towards advancing the Afghan culture beyond its toxic medieval mentality or curbing a violent and unquestioning ideology. Rather, this is a recommendation not to add fuel to the fire of cultural incompatibility by unnecessarily offending Afghans with various abrasive policies or coarse behaviors that most any people would find offensive.

As long as ISAF political and military leaders are committed to the ‘partnering’ program with ANSF, more decisive efforts towards developing procedures and protocols, and perhaps most importantly, cultivating appropriate attitudes and mindsets specifically tailored to meet and satisfy Afghan cultural and theological sensitivities and normative demands are vital components towards improving the safety of ISAF soldiers. This is admittedly an extremely difficult task given that the mutual feelings between ISAF and ANSF personnel is quite often one of a very strong dislike, even contempt. Namely one group generally sees the other as a bunch of violent, reckless, intrusive, arrogant, self-serving, profane, infidel bullies hiding behind high technology; and the other group generally views the former as a bunch of cowardly, incompetent, obtuse, thieving, complacent, lazy, pot-smoking, treacherous and murderous radicals. Such is the state of progress in the current ‘partnering’ program.

Undoubtedly, there are some people who have ignored the above parts about appeasement, the altars of multiculturalism, moral relativity, and political correctness, and therefore are now yelling, “You have just undermined your own argument! You’re the one who wants to keep the military from progressing by maintaining an immoral policy that discriminates against the LGBT population! You’re just like the Afghanis!” But that screeching outburst just further underscores my point: repealing morality from the Armed Forces is an all-or-nothing game where the anti-morality crowd says that to oppose their immorality is “immoral,” “backwards,” and equivalent to racism (it’s not; such an argument is a logical fallacy) while pro-morality proponents argue that it will become impossible for the Armed Forces (indeed society) to both legitimize immorality and allow us to retain our beliefs while remaining a part of “polite” society.

In other words, the anti-morality proponents cannot tolerate any opposing views. Indeed, merely providing the evidence that sodomy is harmful is “hateful.” Thus, the end state of repealing morality will be that the anti-morality proponents will see the morality proponents as “hate-filled, immoral bigots,” and the morality proponents will see the anti-morality proponents as “hate-filled, immoral bigots.” Only one side will be correct in their assessment and only one side will win. Regrettably, the side likely to win will not be the side that is correct.

And so, repealing morality from the Armed Forces cannot have anything other than a detrimental effect which will undermine unit cohesion, destroy trust, and ultimately destroy readiness and capabilities. This alone is enough reason to oppose the repeal of morality from the Armed Forces. Yet things get worse.

Repealing Morality Will Physically and Mentally Harm Troops:

The DOD says that the physical and mental well-being of its Troops is paramount, yet implementing morality repeal from the Armed Forces will prove otherwise. In fact, it will demonstrate yet again that political correctness (sometimes called, “diversity”) is the top priority of the DOD. But what the DOD fails to acknowledge about repealing morality (in addition to the harm that it will inflict on Troops and the readiness of the Armed Forces) is that implementing it will also set up the DOD and government for lawsuits that inevitably will follow.

Some of the forthcoming lawsuits will come as the result of the increased sexual assaults and depression that repealing morality will cause. The government will have no defense from these lawsuits since it knows that male-on-male sexual assaults in the Armed Forces already are a problem and are underreported. Allowing open sodomites into the Armed Forces will only exacerbate this plague and thus the DOD will be knowingly increasing abuse and violence against its Troops. I would have thought that the DOD and government would have had enough of sexual assaults and lawsuits.

Furthermore, the Center for Disease Control explicitly states that male sodomites are the largest spreaders of HIV/AIDS, and that high school sodomites are more inclined to do riskier things than those not engaged in deviant sexual behavior. On top of these physical harms, there is the ongoing problem of depression and suicide in the Armed Forces. Repealing morality will compound this problem through forcing Troops to compromise their consciences and deal with the harassment and assault from the worst bullies of all.

Other Nations and Morality Repeal:

One of the common arguments I hear in support of the repeal of morality is that other nations (particularly our NATO allies) have successfully implemented it in their armed forces. To this I immediately ask, “Why would the United States, home of the best Armed Forces in the world, look to other nations on how to ‘improve’ our Armed Forces?” That question rings particularly loud when I look at current events and examine the readiness and capabilities of these politically correct NATO allies we wish to emulate.

And how does the disintegration of NATO readiness and capabilities relate to repealing morality from the Armed Forces? Sodomy is one of the gods of political correctness, and political correctness is at the heart of why the majority of NATO nations no longer can mount a sustained, competent defense.

Leftists use political correctness to weaken nations and national defense so they can advance their agenda. Repealing morality from the armed forces of a nation undermines unit cohesion, demoralizes troops, encourages corruption, and ultimately generates increased loathing for the armed forces (and the nation in general). This eases efforts to further defund defense so that leftists may push ever-increasing amounts of money to the socialist-welfare state, which further weakens defense by consuming constantly increasing amounts of money and resources. This is what has happened to our NATO allies—PC has led them to intentionally gut their militaries in order that they might throw ever larger sums of money at their own, failed socialist states. And this is what will happen, over time, to the American Armed Forces should the government implement morality repeal.

Repealing Morality Institutionalizes Inequality and Injustice:

Political correctness has slowly cut away at American society for decades, and the pending repeal of morality is simply one last nick of the PC knife that will destroy the last remnants of foundational America. So it comes as no surprise and I therefore am somewhat at peace with it. But there are still a few things in life that irritate me and one of them is that this pending repeal promises to usher in a new era of official, institutionalized inequality and injustice (apart from the inequality and injustice that is inherent in repealing morality). Here’s what I mean.

The DOD allows officials and commanders to ignore the current law that bans sodomites from the Armed Forces. Even when commanders surely know that a servicemember is a sodomite, commanders and the DOD often look the other way and ignore the law. In order for the DOD and commanders to maintain equality and justice if the pending new policy goes into effect, they would have to allow the same disregard for the new law as they do with the current law. But that won’t happen. The Huffington Post column I mentioned in Part I proves this—it shows that troops breaking the current law are being consulted and quoted as arbiters on if law-abiding Troops are thinking “correctly” about the not-as-of-yet policy. Additionally, there is the fact that sodomite military members are planning a group conference in Las Vegas in order to “formulate strategies” on what they are going to do next. How can there even be such a thing as a “gay military member group?” Doesn’t the very existence of such a group break the current law? And then there are the three Army colonels in South Korea who were punished for doing a “gay” skit even as, “. . . the officers did not violate any regulations with their performance. . . .” So if inequality and injustice already exists in the DOD with regards to morality, how bad will it become once morality is repealed and enforcing immorality becomes the standard?

And it is this inequality that bothers me . . . particularly when someone lectures me on how Servicemen must obey any changes to the law regardless of whether they agree with it. What an Orwellian nation we have become.

In Closing:

This Isn’t about Dissent:

I didn’t start this fight—I’m just now fighting back. And I’m not even doing that really. I’m simply noting the absurdities, the contradictions, and the forthcoming consequences for what is about to happen. In other words, I am vocalizing my opinion on this for the same reason I vocalized my opinion when I wrote, “Why women shouldn’t be allowed to serve in combat:”

. . . although the American armed forces currently are the best in the world, if we want them to follow the lead of (by inference) inferior armed forces through politically correct maneuverings, we must be prepared for our armed forces to become like those inferior ones. In other words, if we choose to strive after that which is inferior, we must accept inferiority. People may question who will fill the void once the American armed forces are no longer dominant, but that’s not for me — or anyone else in the military — to determine. After all, the armed forces are subordinate to and should follow the will of the American people.

Therefore, my reason for speaking up is not dissent (although I understand why The Washington Times interpreted it that way). I oppose this pending morality repeal but that is not to say that I won’t follow it if/when it is implemented.

Let me also explicitly state that I would hope that all Servicemen would follow any new policy on morality without hesitation regardless of their beliefs on the matter, just as I would hope that Servicemen would follow any other order regardless of their beliefs.

Simply put, while Servicemen have a right to disagree with policy and offer reasons for their disagreement (which I have done with my two-part explanation), in the end, once the decision is made, we have an obligation to obey our superiors and above them, the American People who run this nation. And since this is the rule we’ve all agreed to play by when it comes to implementing morality repeal, then it’s going to be the rule that we will all play by when it comes to everything else as well. If not, then we no longer are a society or a nation of laws. Instead, at that time, we might very well have become an anarchic land of full of worthless people and ruled by a tyrannical government.

Paul Hair serves in the U.S. Army Reserve as a non-commissioned officer. He is a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom and wrote or contributed to approximately 50 reports and assessments while in Iraq on an eight-month deployment during 2009-2010. He has worked as a civilian in both the government and private sectors. His views are his own and he in no way represents the Army Reserve or any other part of the U.S. government

This column originally appeared as two parts at Big Peace on June 17, 2011 and June 21, 2011.

on Jul 01, 2011

I always hoped that if I were drafted that all I would have to do is start french kissing the guy in the draft line beside me and I would be politely declined from serving in some BS war. 

The need for soldiers is now to great to ignore anyone. Simple math.

on Jul 02, 2011

myfist0
The need for soldiers is now to great to ignore anyone. Simple math.

Interesting point, however, no cigar! The great need for soldiers is not the reason why DADT was repealed. 

Recruitment, across the board,  is up because of the poor economy and no jobs. 

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on Jul 02, 2011

I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Paul Hair. It is about morality and more specifically about dealing with the aggressive, powerful  homosexual force who wants to uproot the very foundations of our morality.

 

 

 

 

on Jul 14, 2011

House votes to block same-sex ‘weddings’ on military bases

WASHINGTON, DC, July 12, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - As the military prepares for the repeal of the Don’t Ask Don’t Tell policy to go into effect, the House of Representatives passed an amendment last Friday prohibiting same sex “weddings” from taking place on military bases.

On the same day the Pentagon issued an order initiating the repeal of Don’t Ask, according to a Los Angeles Times report. The armed services were ordered to begin admitting service members “without regard to sexual orientation.”

The House amendment, introduced by Kansas Rep. Tim Huelskamp, also blocks funds for training chaplains on implementation of the new policy. It was added to the 2012 Department of Defense authorization bill by a vote of 236 – 184.

Huelskamp was one of 63 members of the House who signed a letter to Navy Secretary Ray Mabus after the Office of the Chief of Navy Chaplains announced that same-sex “weddings” would be permitted in naval chapels located in states where same-sex “marriage” is legal. 

“Offering up federal facilities and federal employees for same-sex marriages violated DOMA, which is still the law of the land and binds our military, including chaplains,” read the letter. “The Administration and various states may be operating as if DOMA doesn’t exist, but the Navy and the Marine Corps and all the Armed Services are sworn to obey the law, which this new instruction violates.”

The Navy reversed its decision in early May, but lawmakers and religious leaders have continued to express concern that the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell would threaten the religious freedom of military chaplains and service members.

In a June 1st statement, Archbishop Timothy Broglio of the Archdiocese for Military Services called the implications of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell repeal “enormous and overwhelming,” and expressed concern that it would result in “sacrificing the moral beliefs of individuals.”

Arguing on the House floor in favor of his amendment, Huelskamp raised similar concerns.

“Military chaplains would fall into jeopardy if the Navy decides to enforce its referral policy in which any chaplain declining to perform a same-sex wedding would be required to find someone who would perform the wedding,” he said. “I fear that chaplains who refuse to perform these ceremonies may find themselves under attack and their careers threatened.”

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer, however, called the amendment “micromanagement,” claiming that it was “a transparent attempt to interfere with the repeal of DADT in any way possible.”

The $649 billion spending bill containing Huelskamp’s amendment was passed by the House later on Friday in a strong bipartisan vote of 336-87. However, the amendment will have to be approved by the Democrat-controlled Senate, which will pass its own version of the bill.

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on Aug 24, 2011
Report: Military to chaplains -- resign or conform
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 8/24/2011 10:00:00 AM

A coalition of chaplains and other service members is urging members of Congress to stand up for religious freedom in the wake of the appeal of the ban on homosexual military service.

 

The Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty comprises mostly retired chaplains who on behalf of their faith groups represent thousands of currently active military chaplains who believe what the Bible says about the homosexual lifestyle. The bill repealing the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy was passed by the lame-duck Congress in December and subsequently signed into law by President Barack Obama.
 
Chaplain Ron Crews (USA-Ret.)Col. Ron Crews (USA-Ret.) served as a chaplain for 28 years, including stints with the storied 82nd and 101st Divisions. He now serves as a chaplain endorser for Grace Churches International.  Crews says one of his chaplains attended a briefing by Joint Chiefs chairman Admiral Mike Mullen.
 
"My chaplain asked him, 'Will those of us who hold biblical orthodox views concerning homosexuality be protected in this new environment to speak about those views?'" the retired chaplain reports. "And the response he received was, 'Chaplain, if you can't get in line with this policy, resign your commission.'"
 
Despite Mullen's veiled threat, Crews says his alliance is encouraging chaplains to stand fast in their support of biblical truth about homosexuality -- and he says they are prepared to help their people.
 
"We are taking steps, working with organizations like Alliance Defense Fund and other groups like that, to say that if there are chaplains who are in anyway harmed or become victims in this process that there are some legal recourses we can take to provide protections for them."
 
Crews says they sent a letter to congressional leaders asking them to protect military religious liberty from the dangers created by the government's decision to force open homosexual behavior on the military.

on Aug 25, 2011
The effects of 'gay-friendliness' in British military
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 8/25/2011 4:40:00 AM

gays in military 2A British Christian organization says its country's military has already seen the negative effects of allowing homosexuals to serve openly in the armed forces.

 

As reported by OneNewsNow, the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty recently sent a letter to leaders on Capitol Hill about their concerns over the potential censorship of military chaplains who espouse the Christian worldview on homosexuality. The final implementation of the repeal of the homosexual exclusion ban takes effect next month, and the group is concerned about the chilling effect that it could have on the free speech of chaplains and other service members who continue to oppose the repeal.
 
Mike Judge is head of communications at the Christian Institute in Britain. He says there are many British military personnel who believe the "gay-friendly" military there has done damage to morale and discipline.
 
Mike Judge (Christian Institute)"But you will not find any senior people within the military who will admit that," he shares, "because they know that if they are going to maintain their careers, they've got to tow the political line."
 
Judge says just as in the U.S., homosexual activists in Britain were instrumental in getting their agenda foisted on the military. "This whole issue is not about equality, it is not about tolerance -- because those who are advocating these things do not want equality for Christians to be able voice their concerns. And they will not tolerate opposition," he adds.
 
Instead, it is about imposing their lifestyle and silencing any opposition, states Judge.

 

on Aug 25, 2011

Lula are you now resorting to using fringe groups to try to peddle your wares now then?

 

A question I would like answered though is horses, chimps, dolphins and sea horses can be gay. One species of sea horse even has a much larger % of gay males than humans. Are you going to claim they are going to bring seahorse society crashing down to?

on Aug 25, 2011

Flakey101
Lula are you now resorting to using fringe groups to try to peddle your wares now then?

What "fringe groups" are you talking about?

on Aug 26, 2011

lulapilgrim


 
Mike Judge is head of communications at the Christian Institute in Britain.

 

 

on Aug 26, 2011

 

Flakey101
Lula are you now resorting to using fringe groups to try to peddle your wares now then?

 

 

Then Yes, I guess I am. 

 

We here in the USA know the repeal of DADT means a huge sexual, moral and cultural shift and one that will have negative consequences for the military and in American life as well.  One area is the threat to religious liberty of those who serve as chaplains as well as those who are enlisted who in conscience are opposed to the normalization of homosexuality.

 

The British Christian organization makes the point that Britain's military has already seen the negative effects of normalizing homosexuality.....that there has been damage done to morale and discipline. 

 

Mike Judge said,


Mike Judge (Christian Institute)"But you will not find any senior people within the military who will admit that," he shares, "because they know that if they are going to maintain their careers, they've got to tow the political line."
 
Judge says just as in the U.S., homosexual activists in Britain were instrumental in getting their agenda foisted on the military. "This whole issue is not about equality, it is not about tolerance -- because those who are advocating these things do not want equality for Christians to be able voice their concerns. And they will not tolerate opposition," he adds.
 

Instead, it is about imposing their lifestyle and silencing any opposition, states Judge.

 

and I think he is 100% correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

on Sep 03, 2011

Nitro Cruiser
They may as well open the military to handicapped persons too. They might love their country and want to fight for it too.

Despite the hyperbole in the remainder of your post, why can't they if they are not putting anyone in harm and can do the job?

eg: Why can't someone paralyzed from the waist down fly a drone in Pakistan from the safety of an air base in the US? The paralysis has nothing to do with their ability to fly said drone.

There are enough fat officers flying desks to question why passing basic training is required for non-physical jobs such as drone flying or logistics management.

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