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If it passes I have a new name for it...
Published on May 31, 2010 By Nitro Cruiser In Politics

...but first some background.

Disclaimer: I'm really uninterested in another persons sex life (other than my wife that is), that's their business. Also having spent half my life in the military, I fully realize that gays have and are serving their country in that capacity, thank you (and all folks, past and present) for your service. I don't dislike people personally for their lifestyle. I'm sure most serve(d) honorably, and a few were trouble makers, just as their heterosexual counter parts.

What does concern me is the total disregard of the people currently serving in the military today. Not that it was sneaked in on a Friday, prior to a long weekend (again, a reoccurring theme with this administration). Not that it was sandwiched in with other more pressing items  and $$$ goodies for the military (it was). The Pentagon was to have its finding (consultation with military members) complete by December. This administration, for political expedience, couldn't wait that long. They have showed their total disregard for our military folks opinion, just as they have for the American peoples opinion on other recent issues. They are willing to force an issue without regard for cost (there always is a cost) or plan to implement.

Why the rush? Were the people that shouted Obama down, at the recent Boxer fundraiser, on the issue anxious to enlist in the military. Hardly. Why is this important to gay activists? Are they that concerned about our military? No. They realize the way to "normalcy" is through the military. Their means to an end, their agenda. It worked for minorities and it worked for women, so it will work for gays, right? Well being a minority or a woman is pretty much an inalienable fact, with little room for interpretation. It doesn't involve personal tastes in lifestyles (I can hear the disagreements now). What will be the next "oppressed" group after this one? Time, and anyone's guess, will tell.

If this passes, this will be the first time in history that a protected "special" group of people will be treated differently in the military. Different how? They will not have their own facilities, so they will cohabitate with the sex they are physically attracted to, with only their own sense of discipline as a guide.  The finial vestiges that "helped" people consider their actions (Don't Ask Don't Tell) will be gone. Rest assured, some deviants will be attracted that might not otherwise be. Is it worth even one unwanted incident? What if it is your family member? IMO, to utterly dismiss the sexual aspect of this issue is shortsighted and unrealistic. If someone told me that I would be living in close quarters, uninhibited, with women when I enlisted as a young man at the tender age of 17, I would have thought that was a benefit!

Whoa...hold your horses you say, men and women aren't allowed potential intimate contact on a daily basis in the military. That would be correct, but if that concept bothers you, why the double standard? How would you feel having some guy live in your wife or daughters (or a woman with your husband or son) military dorm room or barracks, shaving his face while she shaves her legs in the shower? I could tell you probably nothing would happen 90% of the time (there is fraternization now, and it is punishable), but there would be problems. Jealous spouses have left their soldiers, sailors, and airman just on suspicion. The opposite is also true. I understand that gays can be afflicted with these emotions, real or perceived, too. I don't foresee men's, women's or other's facilities on the horizon anytime soon.

What else can be exploited? Well let me give an example that many can relate too. When the presidents critics voice their opposition a bit too loud, what is one of the first counter accusations? Racism. And make no bones about it it is effective and used often (read some blogs and see for yourself). So what if a gay person doesn't like his/her evaluation? "My marks are low because you hate gays". Someone harasses you, you're just making the complaint up because you don't like gays. Do I believe this will be the norm? No, but it will happen and when it does it affects the effectiveness of a command.  The military is mired heavily in PCness lately the way it is. We can't afford this additional intrigue IMO, especially during two ongoing wars.

For any of its flaws, Don't Ask Don't Tell applied to everyone, straight or gay. IMO it protected both. This is decision is best left up to the personnel serving, not the politicians, not the activists. If this is something the bulk of our service people can adapt and handle effectively, I would humbly concede to them and the issue is done. Would the gay activists do the same? Can the folks asking for tolerance show some as well?  If it passes without military input, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"(DADT) will become "Look, But Don't Touch" (LBDT).

Remember, you heard the term coined here first.

UPDATE 05/24/2017

Since this post in now locked for 2 years for whatever reason (most likely due to its longevity). I wanted to add the (sort of) conclusion of the Bradley, now Chelsea, Manning story that erupted in the comments. As you may or may not know Manning was pardoned of his espionage 35 year sentence by departing President Obama. With the current leftest push for clamping down on claimed foreign involvement in US affairs, I find the leniency they provide proven traitors they sympathize with, fascinating. Anyway, now Manning is free to live his/her live with military medical benefits for the rest of his years, on your dime of course. More here.


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on Feb 05, 2012

Lula,

Thought you might be interested.  This is something I never really thought about...

I was in the Air Force hospital the other day waiting in the prescription area.  There are televisions with military news and public service type announcements.  A more jaded person might call it a "propaganda" channel..lol 

So a PSA came on that went something  like this:

A woman in uniform says something a long the lines of ...don't discriminate against me because I am female, I serve with pride, I am your fellow airman.

Then a single parent, Native American, black person, Asian, a whole mix of races in the uniform saying the same sort of things...don't discriminate....don't allow it to happen.....we're a brotherhood of blue...etc

Then a homosexual came on screen...don't discriminate against me because I am gay, I serve my country proudly.  Same as the others.

Since this is a huge retirement base for prior military the prescription area is always really FULL.. I waited over an hour that day.

It looks as though the AF has embraced the repeal of DADT. 

But something I never considered...how the repeal affects the community around the active duty members (who must follow policy), the retirees, the families, and others associated with the military.

I sat for an hour and watched the reactions of people.  This is not scientific by any stretch of the imagination, but I can say in that day, in that hour, people were pretty pissed off about the repeal.  I heard alot of "pffffts."  And lots of grumbling from old and young alike...

Maybe it was the blatant manipulation of the video.  I don't know.  But it was interesting to me because I never considered how say a man in his 70's, a military retiree, would react to an obviously gay medical tech. 

 

on Feb 06, 2012

Hi Tova, 

Thanks. I am interested .....trying to follow the aftermath of the repeal closely. 

What you saw was the frog being slowly boiled. The frog being the public and military sector and the boiling being done by those pushing the homosexual agenda forward. It's all about and only about achieving its main goal, that is, complete societal acceptance of homosexuality.  

 

A woman in uniform says something a long the lines of ...don't discriminate against me because I am female, I serve with pride, I am your fellow airman.

Then a single parent, Native American, black person, Asian, a whole mix of races in the uniform saying the same sort of things...don't discriminate....don't allow it to happen.....we're a brotherhood of blue...etc

A woman, Native American, Black person, Asian, etc. are all bona fide groups deserving of protection against discrimination because they all fill the requirements of the Civil Rights Laws. They all exhibit a non-changeable trait or innate characteristic. They can't change their genetic code of being a woman, being Black, being Asian, etc.  

While, 

Then a homosexual came on screen...don't discriminate against me because I am gay, I serve my country proudly.  Same as the others.

 

The homosexual person does not have an innate characteristic which cannot be changed like the others. Homosexuality is a changeable sexual behavior. 

The Homosexual Movement has been attempting to co-opt the Civil Rights Movement in the public sector and apparently is now doing so in the military sector. 

 

And mark this...the day will come when anyone in the military who refuses to accept homosexuality as normal, acceptable, equal to married heterosexuality, even good (or better), will be punished.  

 

on Feb 13, 2012

lulapilgrim
And mark this...the day will come when anyone in the military who refuses to accept homosexuality as normal, acceptable, equal to married heterosexuality, even good (or better), will be punished.

Already done.

The whole point of the video was letting people know discrimination against homosexuals will not be tolerated.  Period.  The punishment for discrimination can be pursued under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ).

I just thought you'd be interested in the reactions of the retired and civilians in my area...

on Feb 13, 2012

Tova, 

You know me, I'm always interested in discussing......

What is the punishment for discrimination?

on Feb 13, 2012

here's more....

Chaplains risking 'treason'
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 2/13/2012 3:35:00 AM

A former Navy chaplain who was forced out of the service for praying publicly in Jesus' name while in uniform says the Obama administration is clearly trying to censor military chaplains who dare to speak out against the pro-abortion and pro-homosexual agenda.

 

 

The Obama White House opened a can of worms last week when it issued an edict requiring Catholic-affiliated agencies to provide medical coverage for employees' contraceptives and abortions. The controversy moved to the military when Catholic Army chaplains were ordered not to read a letter telling parishioners that the Catholic Church "cannot and will not comply with this unjust law."

Gordon James KlingenschmittGordon Klingenschmitt, a former Navy chaplain who now runs The Pray In Jesus' Name Project, further details how the mandate is affecting the military.

"The secretary of the Army said you have to line out some of the language, or else we're going to charge the chaplains with sedition and treason for opposing the Obama administration," he reports. "Can you believe this? They are actually threatening chaplains with court-martial if they dare to preach against sin in their own church."

So Klingenschmitt is encouraging people of faith to contact their members of Congress and tell them to support the Military Religious Freedom Act (HR 3828) sponsored by Congressman Tim Huelskamp (R-Kansas), which would protect all members of the armed forces from having to compromise their religious and spiritual beliefs (see earlier story).


Regarding the Catholic Church and contraceptives, President Obama announced on Friday that religious employers will not have to cover birth control for their employees. Instead, he said, insurance companies will be the ones responsible for providing free contraception. That supposed "compromise" on the matter brought harsh criticism from conservatives across denominational and organizational lines.

 

on Feb 14, 2012

Lula,

It depends on how bad it is...a violation may get "paper" work, a letter of counseling, or a letter of reprimand that is a "bad mark" in the soldiers file for a while...or something more serious might warrant an Article 15 (possibly with administrative or dishonorable discharge), or even a court marshall (trial)......there isn't a "fixed" way to handle UCMJ violations.  Supervisors, commanders, and the legal office can/may be involved in the decision process.

For instance, I've seen sexual harassment at one installation treated as a back slapping, boys-will-be-boys event.  Beers all round!  And at the next installation handled with extreme career ending prejudice.  As in...whew, lucky they didn't do jail time.  Same for adultery.

This appears to be the same way, though I have to say the AF is giving its troops a window of time to adapt.  Meaning they are using propaganda videos and the policy letters right now....the hammer will come later.

Today while at the hospital I saw this REALLY tall black woman walking toward me in a tacky purple dress (which I know is mean, but it was so tacky!)  and white pumps....

When only 10 feet split us, I realized she was really a HE in a wig (that was falling down and barely hanging on the very back of his head....I could see his military hair cut in front, so it looked like he had a long mullet).

My first thought....that's the first trans gender person I've ever seen on a military installation.  Immediately following thought:  White shoes?  After labor day?!?  Aren't men who dress as women supposed to be fashion-ottas? 

Is that gender-ist?

What?  These are the things I ponder while walking the halls of the hospital!

 

on Feb 14, 2012

White shoes?  After labor day?!? 

ha,ha,ha,ha, ha, ha, ha, 

 

on Mar 05, 2012
AS THE WORM TURNS........
 
Questions still surround DADT repeal
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 2/27/2012 4:00:00 AM

gays in military smallA law firm that defends and promotes Christian heritage and moral values is suing the Department of the Navy for documents it claims misled Congress about the consequences of allowing homosexuals to serve openly in the military.

 

 

The Thomas More Law Center (TMLC) has filed a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit on behalf of Elaine Donnelly and the Center for Military Readiness (CMR). It seeks to obtain records the plaintiffs believe will show the Pentagon's intentional deception to gain congressional support for the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" -- the 1993 law regarding open homosexual conduct in the military.

"This did not respect the true feelings of our military whatsoever," contends Erin Mersino, trial counsel at TMLC. "The congressional repeal was based on false information, and the studies were not done appropriately. Secondly, there were supposed to be policies and regulations in place to ensure military effectiveness, and that was not completed."

Elaine DonnellyIn addition, she says the Defense Department and the Department of the Navy have failed to produce any documents over the last two years that would uncover the truth surrounding the congressional repeal of "don't ask, don't tell."

Donnelly says the public has the right to know the truth about a story published by The Washington Post in November 2010 that pushed President Obama's agenda, "pretending that the majority of military people were just fine with repeal of the law. Well, the Department of Defense inspector general did find out that that story was actually being crafted and pre-scripted before the vaunted survey of the troops even began," the CMA president reports.

So Mersino tells OneNewsNow that the goal of the lawsuit is to turn back the clock -- "to have the law changed back to what it used to be, to have the repeal reversed with new legislation."


Donnelly is confident that the court will order that the requested documents to be released.

on Apr 25, 2012

Men are now victims of military sex assaults...

http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/now-men-are-victims-of-military-sex-assaults/

 

on Jun 09, 2012
Social agenda distracts from military mission
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 6/8/2012 4:05:00 AM

 

A retired Army chaplain is concerned about a recent same-sex "ceremony" conducted at a military chapel in Louisiana.

 

 

 

Same-sex "marriage" is not legal in Louisiana, being one of more than 30 states where voters have defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman. Despite that, an Army chaplain performed in mid-May what he called a "holy union" ceremony for two lesbian soldiers at Fort Polk. The chaplain had the two participants sign a Memorandum of Record acknowledging they understood it was not a legally binding marriage ceremony.
 
Congressman John Fleming (R-Louisiana), whose district includes Fort Polk, has denounced the same-sex ceremony and expressed his frustration publicly, pointing out it conflicts with state law and had "nothing to do with military readiness or our national defense." Representative Todd Akin (R-Missouri) has done likewise.
 
Col. Ron Crews (Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty)Col. Ron Crews (USA-Ret.), who served as a chaplain for 28 years and is now a spokesman for the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, concurs.
 
"This is a tremendous disappointment that this chaplain, even though he had the authority to do what he did, wound up doing that in a state that has a clear definition of marriage recorded in their state law," he comments.
 
According to Crews, this raises the bigger issue "of whether our military is to be used to promote a social sexual agenda right now, or is our military supposed to be able to focus on its true mission -- and that's defending this country."
 
The retired chaplain also says the Fort Polk ceremony highlights the need for legislation recently passed by the House that will not allow similar incidents to happen in the future.

on Jun 19, 2012
Panetta salutes 'gays' in military
Associated Press - 6/15/2012 9:50:00 AM

 

Associated Press video buttonWASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Leon Panetta on Friday thanked homosexual military members for their service, as the Pentagon prepares to mark June as "gay pride" month with an official salute.

 

 

 

In a remarkable sign of a cultural change in the U.S. military, Panetta said that with the repeal last year of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law that prohibited homosexuals from serving openly in the military, "gays" and lesbians can now be proud to be in uniform. "Now you can be proud of serving your country, and be proud of who you are," Panetta said.

The defense chief also said he's committed to removing as many barriers as possible to making the military a model of equal opportunity.

Panetta's video message was part of a Pentagon salute to LGBT troops as the Pentagon joined the rest of the U.S. government for the first time in marking June as gay pride month. It comes nine months after repeal of the policy that had prohibited homosexual troops from serving openly and forced more than 13,500 service members out of the armed forces.

This month's event will follow a long tradition at the Pentagon of recognizing diversity in America's armed forces. Hallway displays and activities, for example, have marked Black History Month and Asian-Pacific American Heritage Month.

 

 

 

A forced agenda

 

Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 6/15/2012 12:05 PM


Bob MaginnisLt. Col. Robert Maginnis (USA-Ret.) is senior fellow for national security at the Family Research Council. He reacts to Panetta's announcement of an official military salute to homosexual troops.

"They want to be recognized as the same moral equivalent of heterosexuals," he tells OneNewsNow. "And the way to do this is to force forward their particular agenda -- you know, make them on the same equal opportunity status as African-Americans, Asian-Americans, anyone."

According to Maginnis, even equal status is not enough for those who push that agenda. "Actually they'd like to exceed it," he says. "They want our total endorsement of who they are and what they represent. So this is no surprise. I've been warning about this years, and now it's becoming true."

The retired Army officer, who has long studied the impact of open homosexuality in the military, laments what has transpired under the Obama administration.

"I know how destructive that lifestyle can be, so I'm personally distressed by how official Washington has kowtowed," he says. "But I think even more so, [I'm] distressed that those in the military -- the senior ranks -- caved to the political persuasion of the Obama administration to force this down our throats ...."

And that, he says is "unfortunate because it undermines the effectiveness of our force and the cohesion that's so critical -- and especially in time of war."

 

Elaine DonnellyElaine Donnelly with the Center for Military Readiness takes strong exception to how the military is being used for an experiment in social engineering. "Our military is there to defend the country. It operates under different rules," she tells OneNewsNow. "Of course careers and opportunity are important, but the needs of the military must come first."

As for Secretary Panetta's announcement? "Celebrating the gay pride agenda is not an appropriate role for the secretary of defense," says Donnelly. "Our military does not exist to promote diversity as defined by the LGBT left." 

 

 

on Jun 22, 2012

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/get-in-line-or-resign-admiral-tells-military-chaplain?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=26d6437049-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines_0

Get in line or resign admiral tells military chaplain.....

 

 

 

WASHINGTON, D.C., June 20, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Although the U.S. Military fight and die to uphold freedom, high-level military chaplains report they are increasingly being denied freedom of conscience and freedom of speech. There is also alarm about the negative effects on troop morale over the undoing of the 237-years’ practice of providing traditional religious support for U.S. soldiers.

 

“We were promised that we would see no change - very little change,” says Col. Ron Crews, alluding to a two-star officer’s assurance that the “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” repeal would not impede the ministry of military chaplains. That promise, he says, has not been kept.


on Jun 27, 2012
Pentagon honors what used to be a military crime
Chad Groening - OneNewsNow - 6/26/2012 3:15:00 PM

 

PentagonA retired Army chaplain is very disappointed that the Pentagon has hosted its very first ever "gay pride" celebration.

 

 

 

The celebration was held in the Pentagon auditorium on Tuesday. The speakers --which included both President Barack Obama and Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta (via video) -- told those in attendance about the "value of gay service."
 
Associated Press video button"As we celebrate LGBT Pride Month," said the president, "we remember the activists and advocates who refused to be treated like second-class citizens." Panetta added: "And now after repeal [of the military's 'don't ask, don't tell' policy], you can be proud of serving your country and be proud of who you are when in uniform."

Editor's note: The linked AP video report neglects to include any comments in opposition to the pro-homosexual celebration at the Pentagon.

 
Col. Ron Crews (USA-Ret.) served as an Army chaplain for 28 years and now serves as a spokesman for the Chaplain Alliance For Religious Liberty.
 
"It's extremely disappointing to me that the Pentagon is celebrating today behavior that one year ago was a court-martial offense," he laments. "The Pentagon is setting apart a category of military personnel that's based on their sexual behavior."
 
Chaplain Ron Crews (USA-Ret.)The retired chaplain says Tuesday's celebration illustrates the need to elect new leadership this fall. "We hope that people in this country are going to recognize the direction that this country is going and will say enough is enough," he shares.
 
"And [we hope] that there will be a change at the ballot box that would provide new leadership; that we would have a Commander-in-Chief who would honor and recognize marriage as a union of one man and one woman; and that Congress would once again recognize the traditional family and moral values that have made our country strong."
 
Crews says the Chaplain Alliance finds it ironic that while the Pentagon is willing to celebrate deviant behavior, it has never promoted a "heterosexual pride month" to honor the contributions of those who make up at least 97 percent of the military.

on Jul 24, 2012

Evidence the Military is spiraling downward.....

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=1636396

 

 

 

on Dec 04, 2012

What's happening now?

Well, there are homosexual "weddings" at West Point.

http://onenewsnow.com/culture/2012/12/04/weddings-at-west-point

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